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  If there were no boundaries, where would you like to live?

  by JH in

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  no boundaries, but still differenet speaking languages, and different looking people and different customs, but no boundaries so you could find work anywhere and have the same privileges than you would have in your own country.. i'd definitely move where it's warmer.

  that wouldn't be hard to find.... .

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  Frannie Banannie

  Italy, first choice.

  Oregon or Washington State, second choice.
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  What could they be wanting now?

  by Schism in

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  ok, so you know about my parents' and my email exchange.

  mom said come to meetings, i was genuine with her and told her why i don't, mom replies with denial of what she just read (like i am a confused baby), then i replied with an email that absolutely takes care of everything.

  from evolution vs creation, to the bible, to jehovah, and the wts.

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  (((Schism & Hubby)))) It's a real easy decision that takes away all that stress. Hubby can either call and cancel or just not go.

  NO WAY should Hubby put up with this. He's not a match for the WTS Matrix.

  Frannie
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  Women.....................A JWs view

  by vitty in

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  i was just hopping the boards and came across this discussion on e-mans site.

  its just so unbelievable how the (men?

  ) in the org still view women!

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  Frannie Banannie

  For Vitty:

  In actuality, I do believe it's the ass that rules. While the head thinks of where to go and what to do, and the heart may wish to go and do as it pleases, the ass is the one that overrules and tells ya where ya gotta go and what ya gotta do. That's for those that are full of it and we all know who they are.

  Frannie
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  BASIC thinking....a TEST of how rational we are.

  by Terry in

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  darkness and light.. something and nothing.. heat and cold.. happiness and sadness.. love and hate.. which of the above are actually existing things and which are conceptual constructs?.

  hint: this is a trick question.

  but, go ahead and answer anyway.

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  Clear thinking is very hard work. You have to consciously do it every day. It takes practice. It takes determination. It takes a will to success.

  But, a good life well-lived is worth all the work.

  Yanno, Terry? I finally got the "just woke up with terminal brain fuzzies" out of my head today and read your posted reply over and over again, so I could actually concentrate on the points that you've made. Being bipolar, it's difficult to chain myself to doing all that shtuff (list making, etc.), but from what you've said about getting rid of false concepts spoonfed to us from infancy, it appears that my brain has been working on that anyway. This forum has been a tremendous help with that. I don't believe the bible and all the rest of that fantasy crap anymore. Oh, I can play the game, speak the words from rote and walk the walk if I choose, but only for entertainment purposes, mind you. And right now, I'm slowly but surely working on making my life what *I* want it to be, the very best it can be for *me,* not what someone else thinks it should be. Good enough? Izzat what you're talkin' about, Terry?

  Frannie
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  CO's talk includes drumbeat of obeying Jehovah's channel the faithful slave

  by truthseeker in

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  with mary's review of the april 1 wt study article and this weeks public talk by the circuit overseer on obeying the channel of communication that jehovah has provided through means of the faithful and discreet slave, things are really hotting up.. the co practically shouted that we had to obey jesus' representatives to gain salvation.

  this repetitive mantra of obey the channel, obey god's representatives, obey the faithful and discreet slave is really scary.. they have already replaced jesus as their old testament priesthood takes over, they have sidelined all non-anointed as "companions" of jesus, what more do they want?.

  this is getting increasingly like what daniel and his three companions had to face - worship the golden image or die.. is it me or has the drumbeat of obeying the faithful slave taken on a decidedly louder beat?.

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  This repetitive mantra of obey the channel obey God's representatives, obey the faithful and discreet slave is really scary.

  Yeah-yeah. Spirit mediums do "channeling," too. You should be scared!

  Frannie (of the "they're earthling men in whom one should not put their trust" class)
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  Does this amaze you or am I the only one????

  by avidbiblereader in

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  i will try to make this brief but how can you abbreviate love and kindness?

  this is truly amazing!!!!

  as many you have seen i ran into a small glitch on the forum the last couple of threads, without going into detail and really not necessary as there have been plenty of comments and views on both threads, i was willing to walk away from the forum because this is my nature as paul said in .

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  *******Do you likewise find this amazing, how people from all over, the ones the organization said were not worthy to a part of; can show more kindness, fellow feeling, love and even within the confounds of problems, that people can work things out with a spirit of Christianity, maturity, and can come together and ‘put things straight" in love, with speed of time and to do so as it should have been done.*******

  Not anymore, ABR. I used to be amazed, but I just find it comforting that I finally found the people I was looking for when I joined the WTS in error. This is my little chunk of "heaven on earth," when I come here to read and exchange dialogue and have fun. And don't be upset if you discover that from time to time a hellacious flame war will attempt to break out here. We do occasionally get trolls from the other side. Sometimes we get our pantalonies tied in a knot by a fellow poster or two and that works itself out, but not without an occasional black cyber-eye here and there. All things considered, you've just come home. We're family.

  Welcome back!

  Frannie
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  Those raised as JWs-Do you recall the path of doubts that led you to leave?

  by ithinkisee in

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  i posted a similar topic a year and a half ago.

  i thought with all the new people it would be interesting to ask it again.

  so i began to research ... and here i am.

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  Frannie: I copied your post into a Word doc so I can analyze it later. It looks like you put much thought into it. My best to you.

  LOL @ Mike! You may find that your eyes have bitten off more than an analytical mind can handle, chere.
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  Those raised as JWs-Do you recall the path of doubts that led you to leave?

  by ithinkisee in

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  i posted a similar topic a year and a half ago.

  i thought with all the new people it would be interesting to ask it again.

  so i began to research ... and here i am.

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  Frannie Banannie

  Ithinkisee, that's a very comprehensive list of doubts you made, chere. Good job! Wish I could align my doubts like that, too, but here goes:

  When I began studying in 1973, I did it because my older sister had told me she'd found it to be the truth. Since I was still gullible to her "superior" wisdom at the time, I took up studying with 'em in a vulnerable moment. Let's see what kind of list I can make for what transpired over the years afterward.

  1. During the time I was studying, the subject of the anointed came up and when the sister pointed out (in spite of the scriptures I was sittin' there showin' her in the NWT, which scriptures proved otherwise) that the anointed had already been chosen and the "door" was closed to that, I put my great big doubt about that WTS teaching in a mental cubbyhole for further examination when I was alone, because I KNEW for a fact that no human can decide who can and who can't be anointed for themselves or anyone else. I did this in favor of the "la-la-la-la-la...life's a holiday on Primrose Lane in the new system" analogy of the WTS, guppie that I was back then.

  2. Also, before I took up studying with 'em, I had been reading the bible and had begun a search for God's people here on earth, because I just KNEW they had to be somewhere and I hadn't found them in any church I'd attended. Also, from reading the bible on my own for a while, I kept wondering and asking God how I was supposed to follow in Jesus' footsteps and would have dreams that I was supposed to "hit the street" to "preach the good news." So...I thought I'd found 'em with all the love-bombing going on from people at the KH I began attending when I got over my reluctance enough to go. (But what was it with that music??? It sounded like the theme songs from Soap Operas! LOL! ) No one looked at my hemline, everyone was seemingly friendly and open and treated me like I was one of them. I didn't realize back then they were just wanting to "rubberneck" the new (is she REALLY?) stripper cum bible study at the KH. Then much to my surprise and dismay, before I was even baptised, I learned about how gossip thrives in the KH's across the land. I drove by to pick up another bible study on my way to the KH and when she asked me what I thought about the sister I was studying with, I confided exactly what I thought of "Sister Anal-Retentive" with the personality of a pit viper whose only redeeming feature was that her charm exceeded her intelligence by a country mile. The next thing I knew, Sister A-R called me over to her apartment and held her very own JC meeting with just the two of us in attendance! So much for confiding in people. I turned her over to the elders, who said they'd "handle" it and they did, but I sure wasn't happy with the thought that perhaps the ugly side of the WTS was just beginning to raise its triangular shaped head and flick it's forked tongue.

  3. The night before my baptism, I had a dream. I dreamed that I went to pick up my new license plate and the one they handed me had "666" on it. Scarey! I told others about my dream, but they just pooh-poohed it as "just a dream." Yeah, right. When shortly after my baptism I actually went to pick up my new license plates and they DID indeed have "666" on 'em, I was freaked! (YES, they really, really did!) Everyone else in Oz told me that didn't matter. So I shrugged it off, again in favor of "la-la-la-la-la, you can live forever and life's a holiday on PRIMrose Lane." I have to admit here that the people in the KH I attended at first pre-1975 were mostly truly nice people that I sometimes think about, even if there was a lot of anal-retentiveness featured among them about dancing and such.

  4. I married the first elder that asked me thinking that "this is the truth...life's a holiday on Primrose Lane....it's all good here, idnit?" BIG mistake that one! Within 3 months, I made my temporary exodus and went back to the world to escape HELL! He would actually tell me to "pose" with him as though we were horsing around in a playful moment when someone would knock on our door!!!!

  5. After 5 years mostly happy in exile and one divorced elder later, I again reached a vulnerable time in my life and went back to the WTS in my own home town, which was different than the place where I first was introduced to WTS doctrines and practices. Thinking in the WTS had changed, but not for the good, I soon discovered. I heard people ridiculing the anointed (with the exception of the Gov. Haughty, of course) and make snide comments and snicker behind their backs all around me. There were all sorts of tales like the one where, early in the WTS history, a bunch of allegedly (to WTS members) anointed that weren't on the GB got together at one time and held their own meeting and they were all disfellowshipped for doing so. One young MS even made fun of me when he overheard me merely asking an elder a question about the anointed and the scriptures that referred to the anointing. pffftt!

  6. The gossip, the severe criticism of even their own alleged "brothers and sisters in the truth," the inter- and inner-congregational shunning of even people that were alleged to be weak or inactive or maybe even just POOR went on and on, from congregation to congregation and state to state, no matter where I moved. I've seen poor and decrepit old sisters left on the KH doorstep when FS meeting was over with no transportation for their outing in field service provided, as the various "cliques" scurried to their individual vehicles and squealed tires and threw gravel, hurring to leave before they were caught last and HAD no choice but to let 'em ride with them. Time and time again.

  7. Going toe-to-toe, head-to-head with the Gov. Haughty over their erroneous criteria of baptism qualifications. They grew increasingly haughty in their correspondence with me, soon disdaining all the pertinent and very valid scriptures cited by me in my letters to them, in favor of their own "take" on their WTS dogma and going on about their royal "bizness" of preaching the goo-ed mews, so that they really didn't have time to waste on something as puscilanimous as the truth they choose to ignore.

  8. The P.O. that delivered the "fatal" (in my eyes) disfellowshipping talk severely denigrating the young pioneer sister's behavior in front of everyone, while the young bro got a "slap on the hand." He's the same one that sent someone to "befriend" me and report back to him. Why did he do it? Because, my youngest son was wanting to get baptised and (head-up-my-butt that I still was), I was trying to help his cause. Also, the elders physically attempted to prevent me from contact with the circuit overseer when he visited, so I couldn't tell him what they'd been up to (the spying and all). (Yall should have seen the letter I wrote about THAT little picadillo!) They chased me around the KH trying to "cut me off at the pass" but I made the "touchdown" anyway. I wrote to the Gov. Haughty about THAT, too, and since they couldn't touch me because I'd gone over their heads, I recv'd from the podium during the next Circus Serpent's visit, a fierce little personal dig about engaging in nepotism for back up my son in his quest for baptism. (WTF!!!?!!! After all, God himself, according to their own teachings, backed up his own son's baptism, didn't he? Was that nepotism, too?)

  9. Another anointed sis phoned me one day, out of the blue, so to speak. I didn't know her, but she had been told about me by another local anointed sister and she wanted to meet me and was going to bring some other anointed sisters with her to the visit at my home, since I didn't have transpo at the time. I invited them to "Come on down!" thinking to myself, 'why not? I'm up for a little WTS butt-kickin'." We met. There were 5 of them that filed into my living room that day, all strangers to me. We spoke of our anointing experiences cautiously, but of nothing very intimately, nor against the WTS teachings and practices until I offered to share with them the copy of the letter I'd written to the Gov. Haughty, approx. 3 yrs earlier. ( It was a letter I'd written to the GB in regard to the BOE that was attempting to DF me because I'd committed the godawful sin of actually sharing with a few others some of the dream/visions I'd been experiencing before I left Texas for California. The BOE was not allowed to run itnerference and DF me, but I was told in so many words to "shut my mouf," at the time. I kept a copy of the letter I wrote.) In offering to let the other sisters read my letter, I used the words, "meet you face-to-face" from the 3 Johns that come before Revelation. One sister gasped and exclaimed, "That's it! I know I can really trust you and talk to you now! Those were the words that I prayed to Jehovah that you would use so that I would know that we can speak freely!" Yeah. We all had our heads up our butts back then. I don't know about the others that were there at the time, but since my exodus from the WTS, I remove mine occasionally now for a breath of fresh air. Eventually, during our visits before I made my big exit, we all agreed that the WTS heirarchy are LOSERS in so many words. You can read all about this visit and subsequent visits with those anointed sisters and all the surrounding adventures along with the rest of my eventual exodus from the WTS, if you click on the following hyperlink:

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/32/77580/1256751/post.ashx#1256751

  But just remember two things before you read it.....1. Books contain knowledge and are made of paper engraved with words(images) and paper is a product of trees, ergo, books are also "fruit" of trees. 2. I now know for certain that just because one finds a lot of manure spread around under a tree, it doesn't mean that one has been given a pony (horse) to ride.

  EDITED TO ADD: oooops! I just realized that this thread was intended for those raised in the truth, not interlopers, like myself. mea culpa

  Frannie Banannie, Queen of Franistan
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  Define your spiritual side

  by JH in

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  although i don't go to meetings anymore, i'm inactive, never was disfellowshipped, i still have a "spiritual side to me", something that is deeply rooted in.

  on one side, i see errors the watchtower makes, and on the other side i take what's good about them, and that's why i don't fit in with them.

  i don't meet their standards, nor do they meet mine.

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  My spiritual side is young at heart, JH. And girls just wanna have fun!

  Frannie
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  Sparkplug says

  by Persephone69 in

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  ok, so sparkplug says i have to start a thread.

  she says that since i'm using her computer, i have to write something.. so...here i am.

  i'm cretia.

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  Frannie Banannie

  Well, welcome to JWD, Cretia! I saw your pic on the pic thread and I declare you are an official Apostababe!

  Frannie